No mortality benefit from bariatric surgery in older, obese men

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/228264.php

"The scientists wrote:

"Our results highlight the importance of statistical adjustment and
careful selection of surgical and nonsurgical cohorts, particularly
during evaluation of bariatric surgery according to administrative data.
Previous studies claiming a survival benefit for bariatric surgery had
limited clinical information to conduct detailed risk adjustment or
matching.

The survival differences between the bariatric surgery and control
groups were modest in most previous studies, so the beneficial effects
of surgery may have been attenuated if adjustment for confounders had
been possible. We demonstrated that risk adjustment with regression
analysis resulted in a significant association of surgery and survival
that was reduced when equivalence in baseline characteristics improved
via propensity matching in this high-risk patient group."

[Ellen K.]

Post by Susan
x-no-archive: yes
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/228264.php
"Our results highlight the importance of statistical adjustment and
careful selection of surgical and nonsurgical cohorts, particularly during
evaluation of bariatric surgery according to administrative data. Previous
studies claiming a survival benefit for bariatric surgery had limited
clinical information to conduct detailed risk adjustment or matching.
The survival differences between the bariatric surgery and control groups
were modest in most previous studies, so the beneficial effects of surgery
may have been attenuated if adjustment for confounders had been possible.
We demonstrated that risk adjustment with regression analysis resulted in
a significant association of surgery and survival that was reduced when
equivalence in baseline characteristics improved via propensity matching
in this high-risk patient group."

Has it been shown to improve mortality for ANY group?

[Kurt]

Post by Susan
x-no-archive: yes
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/228264.php
"Our results highlight the importance of statistical adjustment and
careful selection of surgical and nonsurgical cohorts, particularly during
evaluation of bariatric surgery according to administrative data. Previous
studies claiming a survival benefit for bariatric surgery had limited
clinical information to conduct detailed risk adjustment or matching.
The survival differences between the bariatric surgery and control groups
were modest in most previous studies, so the beneficial effects of surgery
may have been attenuated if adjustment for confounders had been possible.
We demonstrated that risk adjustment with regression analysis resulted in
a significant association of surgery and survival that was reduced when
equivalence in baseline characteristics improved via propensity matching
in this high-risk patient group."

Has it been shown to improve mortality for ANY group?-

http://criticalcareminutes.com/Resources/Articles/Gastric%20Bypass%20Surgery1.pdf

[Ellen K.]

Post by Susan
x-no-archive: yes
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/228264.php
"Our results highlight the importance of statistical adjustment and
careful selection of surgical and nonsurgical cohorts, particularly during
evaluation of bariatric surgery according to administrative data. Previous
studies claiming a survival benefit for bariatric surgery had limited
clinical information to conduct detailed risk adjustment or matching.
The survival differences between the bariatric surgery and control groups
were modest in most previous studies, so the beneficial effects of surgery
may have been attenuated if adjustment for confounders had been possible.
We demonstrated that risk adjustment with regression analysis resulted in
a significant association of surgery and survival that was reduced when
equivalence in baseline characteristics improved via propensity matching
in this high-risk patient group."

Has it been shown to improve mortality for ANY group?-

http://criticalcareminutes.com/Resources/Articles/Gastric%20Bypass%20Surgery1.pdf

========================================

I like the attention to detail evident in the authors' discussion.

It was very interesting to note on the graph comparing surgery / control and
<45 BMI / >45 BMI that the control group members with a BMI <45 looked
almost as good as the surgery group WRT overall mortality, only the >45 BMI
controls had a starkly worse pattern.

The highly increased incidence of suicide in the control group is quite a
stunning statistic. I suspect the authors are probably right in surmising
that this is because many severely obese people have otherwise undiagnosed
mood disorders, PTSD, or were victims of childhood sexual abuse.

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

Post by Ellen K.
Has it been shown to improve mortality for ANY group?

The real question is how many of the glowing claims made for it have
been based on probably deliberate mismatches of risk factors to make the
surgery look better and safer than it is?

And not just in bariatric studies.

The complication rate, the regain of weight that's typical, the surgery
mortality rates and the fact that the likely endocrine causes of morbid
obesity are not addressed by the surgery all would suggest poor long
term prospects.

This analysis just demonstrated that the benefits claimed were based
upon stacking the deck.

Susan

[BobP]

Post by Susan
x-no-archive: yes

Post by Ellen K.
Has it been shown to improve mortality for ANY group?

The real question is how many of the glowing claims made for it have
been based on probably deliberate mismatches of risk factors to make the
surgery look better and safer than it is?
And not just in bariatric studies.
The complication rate, the regain of weight that's typical, the surgery
mortality rates and the fact that the likely endocrine causes of morbid
obesity are not addressed by the surgery all would suggest poor long
term prospects.
This analysis just demonstrated that the benefits claimed were based
upon stacking the deck.
Susan

Why is it Susan you are a broken reccord when it comes to statin use
is only shown to help in older males that have had a heart attack, but
in this study you have posted that has a heading of "Bariatric Surgery
Does Not Extend Life Expectancy Among Older Obese Males" you say they
have been stacking the deck in other studies?

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Post by Susan
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/228264.php
"Our results highlight the importance of statistical adjustment and
careful selection of surgical and nonsurgical cohorts, particularly
during evaluation of bariatric surgery according to administrative data.
Previous studies claiming a survival benefit for bariatric surgery had
limited clinical information to conduct detailed risk adjustment or
matching.
The survival differences between the bariatric surgery and control
groups were modest in most previous studies, so the beneficial effects
of surgery may have been attenuated if adjustment for confounders had
been possible. We demonstrated that risk adjustment with regression
analysis resulted in a significant association of surgery and survival
that was reduced when equivalence in baseline characteristics improved
via propensity matching in this high-risk patient group."

Reducing the N does result in less statistical power to detect modest
mortality benefit effects especially in older folks who are not
expected to gain as many lifespan years as younger people.

Nonetheless, it remains smarter to freely choose to stop overeating
than to choose to be forced by surgery to do it. This does yield all
the survival benefit without the surgical risk.

Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:

Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946

Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946

Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946

Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946

Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?

[Happy Oyster >]

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:42:49 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier

That is plain idiocy. Hunger kills brain-cells. Studies in several countries
have shown this, already years ago.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

... and encouraging born again (Jn3:3&5) friends to also pray for
Aribert's perishing soul simply because we truly love him as our LORD
commands (Jn15:12) with all glory to GOD the Father.

Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) wrote:
In reference to this physician's ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) prayer
list:

http://tinyurl.com/4pcwg3x

... wants the death of more than 260 persons who he has in his
online deathlist.
Can the police of Atlanta prevent him running amok?

Atlanta police know that a prayer list is not a death (curse) list...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f9d0348afabb61?

...so they would be justified to have you possibly extradited here to
the U.S. to be charged with libel & defamation:

http://tinyurl.com/libel-defamation

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bda9bd5e0d4f589d?

Additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a332f19d1380d4c7?

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
street** there?

**emphasis** added

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/919bac965960728f?

The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
diabetes or sleep apnea.

That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:

(1) Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
(2) Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
(3) Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
(4) Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
(5) Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

[%]

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
... and encouraging born again (Jn3:3&5) friends to also pray for
Aribert's perishing soul simply because we truly love him as our LORD
commands (Jn15:12) with all glory to GOD the Father.
In reference to this physician's ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) prayer
http://tinyurl.com/4pcwg3x

... wants the death of more than 260 persons who he has in his
online deathlist.
Can the police of Atlanta prevent him running amok?

Atlanta police know that a prayer list is not a death (curse) list...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f9d0348afabb61?
...so they would be justified to have you possibly extradited here to
http://tinyurl.com/libel-defamation
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bda9bd5e0d4f589d?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a332f19d1380d4c7?

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to
**the people on the street** there?

**emphasis** added
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/919bac965960728f?

The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
diabetes or sleep apnea.

That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.
Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.
Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?
Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that you would come to trust the
http://T3WiJ.com
Amen.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
http://WDJW.net/Status
and then...
http://WDJW.net/Update
so that there will be...
http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><

[Happy Oyster >]

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
... and encouraging born again (Jn3:3&5) friends to also pray for

Friends? Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung does not seem to have friends in the First
Baptist Church of Woodstock, I assume.
--
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/
CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv
"Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of
the security of First Baptist Church of Woodstock.Andrew, I
need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to
our campus. I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't
want you to come back, okay? That for what (?) you were
making today you need to know, that if you do come back, you
will be removed from the pogrin (?)
Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police."

[Happy Oyster >]

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:05:27 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Atlanta police

knows Woodstock.
--
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/
CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv
"Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of
the security of First Baptist Church of Woodstock.Andrew, I
need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to
our campus. I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't
want you to come back, okay? That for what (?) you were
making today you need to know, that if you do come back, you
will be removed from the pogrin (?)
Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police."

[Norm MacDonald]

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nonetheless, it remains smarter to freely choose to stop overeating
than to choose to be forced by surgery to do it. This does yield all
the survival benefit without the surgical risk.

Incorrect.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

... and encouraging born-again (Jn3:3&5) friends to also pray for
Ace's perishing mind simply because we really love him as our LORD
commands (John 15:12) with all glory to GOD the Father.

Evidence that Ace* is born again (Jn3:3&5) until Ace* deleted his
YouTube account out of fear of persecution by his unredeemed
friends&family who cannot say "Jesus is LORD" with their mouth and who
think he was mocking their condition (that they are no better than
socks as evident by their not being able to do what his sock can do):

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcece5df8d7697f7?

All can recall from memory that if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would
have been able to boldly say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth on YouTube
without cowering behind both a sockpuppet and a fake name. Moreover,
he would not have fearfully deleted his YouTube account as witnessed
by all when challenged by others who took offense accusing him of
mocking Jesus although saying "Jesus is LORD" glorifies Him even when
done via a sockpuppet.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a727291fe2aae160?

Now, if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would stop unwittingly exposing
himself as a fraud here while trying to hide behind various fake names
as he tries to steal the credentials of others.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f225d5db5e16ed27?

What's really his credentials anyway?

Likely none because of mental illness:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5720bf4d940f5626?

Moreover, impersonating a licensed physician as he has done a number
of times here on Usenet is a felony:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8d80bb1ae64d18eb?

Let's see... Today I ate two small slices of pizza, 6 peanut butter
cracker sandwiches, a spinach salad with a little bit of grilled
chicken and drank 8oz of low sodium V8. I usually don't keep track of
what I eat, but this is pretty typical daily volume wise. Am I hungry?
Nope.

Thus confirming that you are indeed prodigal and really need to turn
away (repent) from your intentionally ignorant (ignoring weight of
meals) commission of the original Adam&Eve sin of gluttony in order to
be blessed (Luke 6:21a) by GOD else something worse (John 5:14) like a
heart attack or stroke may happen to you.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ca4ad6a56f67f4e2?

Therefore, it is smart to eat just the right amount (32 oz) of daily
food thereby neither underdose nor overdose it.

Q: Can you post empirical evidence, outside of your own substantiated
personal claims, that 32 oz is the correct amount of food to eat irrespective of
calories, trans fats, sugar, cholesterol and sodium?

Yes. See Deuteronomy 8:4 which summarizes 40 years of empirical
evidence supporting the efficacy of holding to the right amount (omer)
of daily real food (manna) as prescribed by the Great Physician
(Exodus 16+16=32 oz) Who is this HeartDoc's ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) Boss (LORD).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2899814fe7890f4d?

Thus, it remains much smarter to http://WDJW.net/NotDiet and
instead,http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding to the right daily amount
(32 oz) of food in order to lose the VAT thereby possibly curing the
type-2 diabetes.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?

For which there is no clinical study.

Actually, there has been a clinical study held out of Emory University
that enrolled hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. It remains
this physician's choice to not publish it since it pales in comparison
to the comparably sized but much longer duration 40 year clinical
study by the Great Physician, Who is this physician's Boss, Who
published this in the Bible with the miraculous results of 100%
efficacy (Deuteronomy 8:4). This choice to not publish results that do
not add to what is reported in the Bible would be this lead
investigator's right. Truth is simply reality.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d5360a6ad0ae565c?

Studies at places like Emory are funded / given grants

Not all studies at private institutions like Emory are funded by
public grants and indeed, the studies involving the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach remain a privately-funded volunteer effort involving Emory
physicians:

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5cd7b7e8786b1914?

HUNGER IS STARVATION

Yours is a terrible delusion that has led to the insane behavior of
eating children (2 Kings 6:29):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5579e8515529ede9?

Hunger is not starvation as evident by it being synonymous with
appetite, which everyone knows is absolutely healthy, which is
wonderful:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hunger

Psychopath.

Lie. Psychopaths don't openly pray on Usenet to ask GOD to destroy
profanely (Hebrews 12:16) evil (Genesis 25:32) creatures whom GOD
hates (Malachi 1:2-3) much less author books ( http://NetCabal.com and
http://CelestinMiracle.com ) and treat cardiac patients while
maintaining an active medical license that is verifiable on line.
Truth is simply reality and the reality is that you are at risk for
the insane behavior of eating children (2 Kings 6:29).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b646de8f6d07ac87?

Instead, you are a psychopath:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5579e8515529ede9?

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If that were true, hunger instead of starvation would be listed as the
cause of death on their death certificates.

If that were true, since "smoking" isn't listed as the cause of death on
death certificates, people don't die from it.

Smoking is listed as the cause of death of smokers in Britain:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1113208/

Thus, people die from smoking.

Bottom line:
You need to repent and stop being prodigal else something worse may
happen to you (John 5:14)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b454aab62e6fb10b?

Specifically, T2s need to lose their VAT which is the proximate cause
of their disease.
The smartest way to do this is http://WDJW.net/NotDiet (i.e.
restricting food choices) but rather to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body
by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of real food.

Which is apparently not endorsed by any other physician ...

Lie.

This physician's LORD, Who is the Great Physician, is another
physician and the concept of one right daily amount (omer) for
everyone is by His design as revealed by what is written at Exodus
16:16. Laus Deo for His allowing this physician working in
collaboration with his physician colleagues at Emory University
( http://EmoryIMVC.org ) to discover in 1997 that an omer of real food
weighs 32 oz. All bona-fide physicians who know about the 32 oz of the
http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach have given their tacit approval
about it as evident by none either writing or speaking about an
alternative right daily amount of real food.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/039c15d33b9993e1?

Suggested additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d1b49966a79db71b?

http://EmoryIMVC.org

IMVC is the International Medical VAT Cure (aka http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach )

Now please stop lying Ace* or something worse may happen to you (John
5:14).

In the interim, may GOD bless you, Ace*, now (Luke 6:21a) more than
ever causing you to become hungrier (Deuteronomy 8:3) than ever
thereby helping you realize that if hunger were starvation you would
be dying a thousand deaths now that you are a thousand times hungrier
in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ae9391ce0321e0d6?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our http://WDJW.net/Status and then http://WDJW.net/Update
so that there would be http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:

(1) Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
(2) Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
(3) Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
(4) Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
(5) Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

[Brian Gene Kelley, PhD]

Mr. Chung, I'm amused that you've convinced yourselves that
"***@death.com" and "***@doctor.joke" are me. I like seeing "Ace"
splashed all down the thread menu by you. "Ace, Ace, Ace" OCD. Say hi to
your sockpuppets, Rod, Jan and Mu for me :-)

[Happy Oyster >]

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 01:10:11 -0700, "Brian Gene Kelley, PhD"

Post by Brian Gene Kelley, PhD
Mr. Chung, I'm amused that you've convinced yourselves that
splashed all down the thread menu by you. "Ace, Ace, Ace" OCD. Say hi to
your sockpuppets, Rod, Jan and Mu for me :-)

At least we can see that he does not believe that "***@death.com" and
"***@doctor.joke" are himself.
--
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/
CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv
"Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of
the security of First Baptist Church of Woodstock.Andrew, I
need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to
our campus. I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't
want you to come back, okay? That for what (?) you were
making today you need to know, that if you do come back, you
will be removed from the pogrin (?)
Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police."

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

... and encouraging born again (Jn3:3&5) friends to also pray for
Aribert's perishing soul simply because we truly love him as our LORD
commands (Jn15:12) with all glory to GOD the Father.
Smarter to also watch:

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=JEBB9CNU

Transcripsion is somewhat like
<quote>
Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of the security of
First Baptist Church of Woodstock.
Andrew, I need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to our
campus.
I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't want you to come back, okay?
That for what (?) you were making today you need to know, that if you do come
back, you will be removed from the pogrin (?)
Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police.
Andrew, allow us to end peacefully,
Allow being right meal. (???)
Thank you.
Happy day.
</quote>

Your errors in transcription is consistent with your being guided by
the spirit of error (self) instead of the Spirit of Truth, Who is GOD.

Yes, there are folks at FBCW who need to be born again (John 3:3 & 5)
as evident by their not being able to say "Jesus is LORD" with their
mouth (Romans 10:9) though they wanted to in order to complain to the
police from the outset that this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) was saying "Jesus is LORD" as a greeting and asking if they would
return with the same.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/209eead1460b9c27?

Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) earlier wrote:

In reference to this physician's ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) prayer
list:

http://tinyurl.com/4pcwg3x

... wants the death of more than 260 persons who he has in his
online deathlist.
Can the police of Atlanta prevent him running amok?

Atlanta police know that a prayer list is not a death (curse) list...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f9d0348afabb61?

...so they would be justified to have you possibly extradited here to
the U.S. to be charged with libel & defamation:

http://tinyurl.com/libel-defamation

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bda9bd5e0d4f589d?

Additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a332f19d1380d4c7?

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
street** there?

**emphasis** added

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/919bac965960728f?

The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
diabetes or sleep apnea.

That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:

(1) Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
(2) Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
(3) Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
(4) Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
(5) Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

[Brian Gene Kelley, PhD]

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
All can recall from memory that if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would
have been able to boldly say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth on YouTube

The fact that Mr. Chung has been excommunicated, is a much
more tangible indication that he is a prodigal Christian he speaks
of.
Rather than someone canceling a YouTube account in favor of starting a
better one
http://www.youtube.com/user/bkfjinlv?feature=mhee

A new YouTube account which shows that I'm able to regularly attend a
church without being kicked out of it and being told I'll be arrested
if
I return, as has happened with Mr. Chung.

Kicked out of a mainstream orthodox church for being a trouble maker,
is a much clearer example of a prodigal reprobate. But of course Chung
is also
a hypocrite.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

... and encouraging born-again (Jn3:3&5) friends to also pray for
Ace's perishing mind simply because we really love him as our LORD
commands (John 15:12) with all glory to GOD the Father.

Evidence that Ace* is born again (Jn3:3&5) until Ace* deleted his
YouTube account out of fear of persecution by his unredeemed
friends&family who cannot say "Jesus is LORD" with their mouth and who
think he was mocking their condition (that they are no better than
socks as evident by their not being able to do what his sock can do):
http://youtu.be/yuWCkxxVdFo

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcece5df8d7697f7?

All can recall from memory that if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would
have been able to boldly say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth on YouTube
without cowering behind both a sockpuppet and a fake name. Moreover,
he would not have fearfully deleted his YouTube account as witnessed
by all when challenged by others who took offense accusing him of
mocking Jesus although saying "Jesus is LORD" glorifies Him even when
done via a sockpuppet.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a727291fe2aae160?

Now, if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would stop unwittingly exposing
himself as a fraud here while trying to hide behind various fake names
as he tries to steal the credentials of others.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f225d5db5e16ed27?

What's really his credentials anyway?

Likely none because of mental illness:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5720bf4d940f5626?

Moreover, impersonating a licensed physician as he has done a number
of times here on Usenet is a felony:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8d80bb1ae64d18eb?

Let's see... Today I ate two small slices of pizza, 6 peanut butter
cracker sandwiches, a spinach salad with a little bit of grilled
chicken and drank 8oz of low sodium V8. I usually don't keep track of
what I eat, but this is pretty typical daily volume wise. Am I hungry?
Nope.

Thus confirming that you are indeed prodigal and really need to turn
away (repent) from your intentionally ignorant (ignoring weight of
meals) commission of the original Adam&Eve sin of gluttony in order to
be blessed (Luke 6:21a) by GOD else something worse (John 5:14) like a
heart attack or stroke may happen to you.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ca4ad6a56f67f4e2?

Therefore, it is smart to eat just the right amount (32 oz) of daily
food thereby neither underdose nor overdose it.

Q: Can you post empirical evidence, outside of your own substantiated
personal claims, that 32 oz is the correct amount of food to eat irrespective of
calories, trans fats, sugar, cholesterol and sodium?

Yes. See Deuteronomy 8:4 which summarizes 40 years of empirical
evidence supporting the efficacy of holding to the right amount (omer)
of daily real food (manna) as prescribed by the Great Physician
(Exodus 16+16=32 oz) Who is this HeartDoc's ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) Boss (LORD).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2899814fe7890f4d?

Thus, it remains much smarter to http://WDJW.net/NotDiet and
instead,http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding to the right daily amount
(32 oz) of food in order to lose the VAT thereby possibly curing the
type-2 diabetes.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?

For which there is no clinical study.

Actually, there has been a clinical study held out of Emory University
that enrolled hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. It remains
this physician's choice to not publish it since it pales in comparison
to the comparably sized but much longer duration 40 year clinical
study by the Great Physician, Who is this physician's Boss, Who
published this in the Bible with the miraculous results of 100%
efficacy (Deuteronomy 8:4). This choice to not publish results that do
not add to what is reported in the Bible would be this lead
investigator's right. Truth is simply reality.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d5360a6ad0ae565c?

Studies at places like Emory are funded / given grants

Not all studies at private institutions like Emory are funded by
public grants and indeed, the studies involving the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach remain a privately-funded volunteer effort involving Emory
physicians:

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5cd7b7e8786b1914?

HUNGER IS STARVATION

Yours is a terrible delusion that has led to the insane behavior of
eating children (2 Kings 6:29):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5579e8515529ede9?

Hunger is not starvation as evident by it being synonymous with
appetite, which everyone knows is absolutely healthy, which is
wonderful:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hunger

Psychopath.

Lie. Psychopaths don't openly pray on Usenet to ask GOD to destroy
profanely (Hebrews 12:16) evil (Genesis 25:32) creatures whom GOD
hates (Malachi 1:2-3) much less author books ( http://NetCabal.com and
http://CelestinMiracle.com ) and treat cardiac patients while
maintaining an active medical license that is verifiable on line.
Truth is simply reality and the reality is that you are at risk for
the insane behavior of eating children (2 Kings 6:29).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b646de8f6d07ac87?

Instead, you are a psychopath:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5579e8515529ede9?

http://peacenowar.net/newpeace/images/stories/hunger-sm.jpg

If that were true, hunger instead of starvation would be listed as the
cause of death on their death certificates.

If that were true, since "smoking" isn't listed as the cause of death on
death certificates, people don't die from it.

Smoking is listed as the cause of death of smokers in Britain:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1113208/

Thus, people die from smoking.

Bottom line:
You need to repent and stop being prodigal else something worse may
happen to you (John 5:14)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b454aab62e6fb10b?

Specifically, T2s need to lose their VAT which is the proximate cause
of their disease.
The smartest way to do this is http://WDJW.net/NotDiet (i.e.
restricting food choices) but rather to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body
by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of real food.

Which is apparently not endorsed by any other physician ...

Lie.

This physician's LORD, Who is the Great Physician, is another
physician and the concept of one right daily amount (omer) for
everyone is by His design as revealed by what is written at Exodus
16:16. Laus Deo for His allowing this physician working in
collaboration with his physician colleagues at Emory University
( http://EmoryIMVC.org ) to discover in 1997 that an omer of real food
weighs 32 oz. All bona-fide physicians who know about the 32 oz of the
http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach have given their tacit approval
about it as evident by none either writing or speaking about an
alternative right daily amount of real food.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/039c15d33b9993e1?

Suggested additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d1b49966a79db71b?

http://EmoryIMVC.org

IMVC is the International Medical VAT Cure (aka http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach )

Now please stop lying Ace* or something worse may happen to you (John
5:14).

In the interim, may GOD bless you, Ace*, now (Luke 6:21a) more than
ever causing you to become hungrier (Deuteronomy 8:3) than ever
thereby helping you realize that if hunger were starvation you would
be dying a thousand deaths now that you are a thousand times hungrier
in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ae9391ce0321e0d6?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our http://WDJW.net/Status and then http://WDJW.net/Update
so that there would be http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:

(1) Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
(2) Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
(3) Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
(4) Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
(5) Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

[Happy Oyster >]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 04:19:01 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Evidence that Ace* is born again (Jn3:3&5) until Ace* deleted his

Only an idiot like Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung would claim such.

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Yes, there are folks at FBCW who need to be born again (John 3:3 & 5)
as evident by their not being able to say "Jesus is LORD" with their
mouth (Romans 10:9) though they wanted to in order to complain to the
police from the outset that this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) was saying "Jesus is LORD" as a greeting and asking if they would
return with the same.

Only an idiot like Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung would claim such.

Also, do note that "to be born again" includes "die!". So Satan Andrew Ben Hua
Chung indirectly calls for the death of these people. THAT is his true
background. No wonder as Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a criminal harasser,
stalker and libeler, who gives false medical advice which - if followed - can
lead to death.
--
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/
CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv
"Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of
the security of First Baptist Church of Woodstock. Andrew,
I need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back
to our campus.I don't want you to show up this weekend, I
don't want you to come back, okay? That's the decision we're
making today. You need to know, that if you do come back,
you will be removed from the property. Beyond that, if you
come back, I will call the police."

[Jimmy Alpha]

Evidence...

The most conclusive evidence presented thus far, you're f'ed-up in the
head charlie.
Jimmy "being gentle" Alpha

[Brian Gene Kelley, PhD]

Post by Jimmy Alpha

Evidence...

The most conclusive evidence presented thus far, you're f'ed-up in the
head charlie.
Jimmy "being gentle" Alpha

If you remember, I predicted this very thing before seeing the video.
People might think I spend time in Chung's websites etc. gathering
info about him, but I don't need to. He's easy enough to figure out
without wasting time on forays.

[Brian Gene Kelley, PhD]

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
All can recall from memory that if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would
have been able to boldly say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth on YouTube

The fact that Mr. Chung has been excommunicated, is a much
more tangible indication that he is the prodigal he speaks
of. Rather than someone simply canceling a YouTube account in favor of
starting a
better one:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bkfjinlv?feature=mhee

A new YouTube account which shows someone who's able to regularly
attend a
church without being kicked out of it and being told he'll be
arrested
if he returns, as has happened with Mr. Chung. Most likely on more
than one occasion.

http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv.

Kicked out of a mainstream orthodox church for being a trouble
maker,
the same as he was kicked out of Central Florida Heart Ctr. for
insubordination.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14be00037d7d79aa?hl=en

This is obviously a much clearer example of how a prodigal reprobate
conducts himself and the bad fruit such conduct yields. But of course
Mr. Chung is a hypocrite, who's arrogance and pride keep him from
seeing the truth about himself and repenting.

[Happy Oyster >]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:28:18 -0700 (PDT), "Brian Gene Kelley, PhD"

Post by Brian Gene Kelley, PhD

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
All can recall from memory that if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would
have been able to boldly say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth on YouTube

The fact that Mr. Chung has been excommunicated, is a much
more tangible indication that he is the prodigal he speaks
of. Rather than someone simply canceling a YouTube account in favor of
starting a
http://www.youtube.com/user/bkfjinlv?feature=mhee
A new YouTube account which shows someone who's able to regularly
attend a
church without being kicked out of it and being told he'll be
arrested
if he returns, as has happened with Mr. Chung. Most likely on more
than one occasion.
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv.
Kicked out of a mainstream orthodox church for being a trouble
maker,
the same as he was kicked out of Central Florida Heart Ctr. for
insubordination.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14be00037d7d79aa?hl=en
This is obviously a much clearer example of how a prodigal reprobate
conducts himself and the bad fruit such conduct yields. But of course
Mr. Chung is a hypocrite, who's arrogance and pride keep him from
seeing the truth about himself and repenting.

Exactly.
--
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/
CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv
"Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of
the security of First Baptist Church of Woodstock. Andrew,
I need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back
to our campus.I don't want you to show up this weekend, I
don't want you to come back, okay? That's the decision we're
making today. You need to know, that if you do come back,
you will be removed from the property. Beyond that, if you
come back, I will call the police."

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

... and encouraging born-again (Jn3:3&5) friends like Rod Eastman
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Ace's perishing mind simply
because we really love him as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all
glory to GOD the Father.

Evidence that Ace* is born again (Jn3:3&5) until Ace* deleted his
YouTube account out of fear of excommunication by his church of
unredeemed friends&family who cannot say "Jesus is LORD" with their
mouth and who think he was mocking their condition (that they are no
better than socks as evident by their not being able to do what his
sock can do):
http://youtu.be/yuWCkxxVdFo

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcece5df8d7697f7?

All can recall from memory that if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would
have been able to boldly say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth on YouTube
without cowering behind both a sockpuppet and a fake name. Moreover,
he would not have fearfully deleted his YouTube account as witnessed
by all when challenged by others who took offense accusing him of
mocking Jesus although saying "Jesus is LORD" glorifies Him even when
done via a sockpuppet.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a727291fe2aae160?

Now, if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would stop unwittingly exposing
himself as a fraud here while trying to hide behind various fake names
as he tries to steal the credentials of others.

Sources:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f225d5db5e16ed27?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/474ac409e760ace5?

What's really his credentials anyway?

Likely none because of mental illness:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5720bf4d940f5626?

Moreover, impersonating a licensed physician as he has done a number
of times here on Usenet is a felony:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8d80bb1ae64d18eb?

prodigal Ace* wrote in reference to:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dda6f140e862c223?

Andrew B. Chung being fired for insobaranation.

As were Meshach, Shadrach, and Abnego :-) Laus Deo :-)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6ecb4844c14587ae?

prodigal Ace* wrote in reference to:

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=JEBB9CNU

Chung is excommunicated from churches ...

Lie.

The eternal Church ( http://WDJW.net ) of which this physician
( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) is a member is built on the reality of
Peter's up&down relationship with the LORD as described at Matthew
16:18 does not excommunicate anyone as evident by Peter not having
been excommunicated for denying Christ three times.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e99288ec0762f938?

Let's see... Today I ate two small slices of pizza, 6 peanut butter
cracker sandwiches, a spinach salad with a little bit of grilled
chicken and drank 8oz of low sodium V8. I usually don't keep track of
what I eat, but this is pretty typical daily volume wise. Am I hungry?
Nope.

Thus confirming that you are indeed prodigal and really need to turn
away (repent) from your intentionally ignorant (ignoring weight of
meals) commission of the original Adam&Eve sin of gluttony in order to
be blessed (Luke 6:21a) by GOD else something worse (John 5:14) like a
heart attack or stroke may happen to you.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ca4ad6a56f67f4e2?

Therefore, it is smart to eat just the right amount (32 oz) of daily
food thereby neither underdose nor overdose it.

Q: Can you post empirical evidence, outside of your own substantiated
personal claims, that 32 oz is the correct amount of food to eat irrespective of
calories, trans fats, sugar, cholesterol and sodium?

Yes. See Deuteronomy 8:4 which summarizes 40 years of empirical
evidence supporting the efficacy of holding to the right amount (omer)
of daily real food (manna) as prescribed by the Great Physician
(Exodus 16+16=32 oz) Who is this HeartDoc's ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) Boss (LORD).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2899814fe7890f4d?

Thus, it remains much smarter to http://WDJW.net/NotDiet and
instead,http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding to the right daily amount
(32 oz) of food in order to lose the VAT thereby possibly curing the
type-2 diabetes.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?

For which there is no clinical study.

Actually, there has been a clinical study held out of Emory University
that enrolled hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. It remains
this physician's choice to not publish it since it pales in comparison
to the comparably sized but much longer duration 40 year clinical
study by the Great Physician, Who is this physician's Boss, Who
published this in the Bible with the miraculous results of 100%
efficacy (Deuteronomy 8:4). This choice to not publish results that do
not add to what is reported in the Bible would be this lead
investigator's right. Truth is simply reality.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d5360a6ad0ae565c?

Studies at places like Emory are funded / given grants

Not all studies at private institutions like Emory are funded by
public grants and indeed, the studies involving the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach remain a privately-funded volunteer effort involving Emory
physicians:

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5cd7b7e8786b1914?

HUNGER IS STARVATION

Yours is a terrible delusion that has led to the insane behavior of
eating children (2 Kings 6:29):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5579e8515529ede9?

Hunger is not starvation as evident by it being synonymous with
appetite, which everyone knows is absolutely healthy, which is
wonderful:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hunger

Psychopath.

Lie. Psychopaths don't openly pray on Usenet to ask GOD to destroy
profanely (Hebrews 12:16) evil (Genesis 25:32) creatures whom GOD
hates (Malachi 1:2-3) much less author books ( http://NetCabal.com and
http://CelestinMiracle.com ) and treat cardiac patients while
maintaining an active medical license that is verifiable on line.
Truth is simply reality and the reality is that you are at risk for
the insane behavior of eating children (2 Kings 6:29).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b646de8f6d07ac87?

Instead, you are a psychopath:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5579e8515529ede9?

http://peacenowar.net/newpeace/images/stories/hunger-sm.jpg

If that were true, hunger instead of starvation would be listed as the
cause of death on their death certificates.

If that were true, since "smoking" isn't listed as the cause of death on
death certificates, people don't die from it.

Smoking is listed as the cause of death of smokers in Britain:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1113208/

Thus, people die from smoking.

Bottom line:
You need to repent and stop being prodigal else something worse may
happen to you (John 5:14)

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b454aab62e6fb10b?

Specifically, T2s need to lose their VAT which is the proximate cause
of their disease.
The smartest way to do this is http://WDJW.net/NotDiet (i.e.
restricting food choices) but rather to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body
by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of real food.

Which is apparently not endorsed by any other physician ...

Lie.

This physician's LORD, Who is the Great Physician, is another
physician and the concept of one right daily amount (omer) for
everyone is by His design as revealed by what is written at Exodus
16:16. Laus Deo for His allowing this physician working in
collaboration with his physician colleagues at Emory University
( http://EmoryIMVC.org ) to discover in 1997 that an omer of real food
weighs 32 oz. All bona-fide physicians who know about the 32 oz of the
http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach have given their tacit approval
about it as evident by none either writing or speaking about an
alternative right daily amount of real food.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/039c15d33b9993e1?

Suggested additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d1b49966a79db71b?

http://EmoryIMVC.org

IMVC is the International Medical VAT Cure (aka http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach )

Now please stop lying Ace* or something worse may happen to you (John
5:14).

In the interim, may GOD bless you, Ace*, now (Luke 6:21a) more than
ever causing you to become hungrier (Deuteronomy 8:3) than ever
thereby helping you realize that if hunger were starvation you would
be dying a thousand deaths now that you are a thousand times hungrier
in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ae9391ce0321e0d6?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our http://WDJW.net/Status and then http://WDJW.net/Update
so that there would be http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:

(1) Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
(2) Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
(3) Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
(4) Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
(5) Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

[Happy Oyster >]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
What's really his credentials anyway?

Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung's medical claims can - if followed - lead to death.
And he knows that. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to be erased from the
planet. But he goes on to lie and to stalk. So it is no wonder, that the First
Baptist Church of Woodstock threw him out:

Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung uploads videos to YouTube.com. One of them was
harvested as a piece of evidence and stored in the files archive of
http://www.transgallaxys.com

http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/
CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv

This is the transcript of what the man on the phone says to Satan Andrew Ben Hua
Chung:

<quote>
Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I'm the director of security at First
Baptist Church Woodstock. Andrew, I need to inform you that you're not allowed
to come back to our campus. I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't
want you to come back, okay? That's the decision we're making today. And you
need to know if you do come back, we'll remove you from the property and beyond
that, if you come back, I will call the police. Andrew, lets allow this to end
peacefully. Allow it to end right now. Thank you and have a good day.
</quote>


25. Studies about hunger and brain shrinkage
--------------------------------------------

Hunger kills braincells!
*************************

Scientific studies about hunger and braincells show that. They were made in
Germany in about 2001/2002/2003. They are FACTS. And there are studies in the
USA. THEY ARE FACTS.

There are studies about hunger and brain shrinkage. Like this one:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9754441

<quote>
Psychiatry Res. 1998 Jun 30;82(3):171-9.
Proton magnetic resonance spectroscopy in acute, juvenile anorexia nervosa.

Schlemmer HP, Möckel R, Marcus A, Hentschel F, Göpel C, Becker G, Köpke J,
Gückel F, Schmidt MH, Georgi M.

Institute for Clinical Radiology Mannheim, Faculty of Medicine, University of
Heidelberg, Germany. ***@dkfz-heidelberg.de
Abstract

Anorexia nervosa is usually associated with a shrinkage of the brain that is at
least partially reversible with weight gain. The pathogenesis of this brain
abnormality is unclear. The purpose of this study was to investigate potential
alterations in localized proton magnetic resonance (1H MR) spectra of anorectic
patients immediately after an interval of excessive weight loss. Twelve patients
and seventeen control subjects were examined. Water suppressed 1H MR spectra
were recorded from two voxels placed in the thalamus and in the
parieto-occipital white matter. The spectra of ten patients could be evaluated.
Comparing patients and control subjects, significantly higher signal intensity
ratios of choline containing compounds (Cho) relative to total creatine (Cr) as
well as significantly lower ratios of N-acetyl-aspartate (NAA) relative to Cho
were found in the white matter region. We hypothesize that these results
indicate an abnormal starvation, associated membrane turnover, which
predominantly takes place in the white matter. No evidence for neuronal
degeneration was found in the thalamus or in the white matter region.

PMID: 9754441 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
</quote>


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/eat.20840/abstract
<quote>
Brain tissue volume changes following weight gain in adults with anorexia
nervosa

Christina A. Roberto MS1,2,*, Laurel E. S. Mayer MD3, Adam M. Brickman PhD4,
Anna Barnes PhD5, Jordan Muraskin BA4, Lok-Kin Yeung BA4, Jason Steffener PhD4,
Melissa Sy BA, Joy Hirsch PhD, Yaakov Stern PhD4, B. Timothy Walsh MD3

Article first published online: 19 MAY 2010

DOI: 10.1002/eat.20840

Abstract
Objective:

To measure brain volume deficits among underweight patients with anorexia
nervosa (AN) compared to control participants and evaluate the reversibility of
these deficits with short-term weight restoration.
Method:

Brain volume changes in gray matter (GM), white matter (WM), and cerebrospinal
fluid (CSF) were examined in 32 adult women with AN and compared to 21, age and
body mass index-range matched control women.
Results:

Patients with AN had a significant increase in GM (p = .006, ?2 = 0.14)
and WM volume (p = .001, ?2 = 0.19) following weight restoration.
Patients on average had lower levels of GM at low weight (647.63 ± 62.07 ml)
compared to controls (679.93 ± 53.31 ml), which increased with weight
restoration (662.64 ± 69.71 ml), but did not fully normalize.
****************************

Discussion:

This study suggests that underweight adult patients with AN have reduced GM and
WM volumes that increase with short-term weight restoration. © 2010 by Wiley
Periodicals, Inc. Int J Eat Disord 2010;
</quote>

Facit: Hunger leads to a irreversible damage to the brain.
##########################################################



26. DO NOT FORGET: FIGHT HUNGER!
--------------------------------

CHRISTIAN RELIEF FUND:
http://www.compassionlink.org/html/food_relief.html#CRF

STOP HUNGER NOW:
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer?pagename=who_we_are
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer

HUNGER IS UNACCEPTABLE:
http://www.austinfoodbank.org/hunger-is-unacceptable/
http://peacenowar.net/newpeace/images/stories/hunger-sm.jpg

30 MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR DIE OF HUNGER:
Loading Image...

.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

... and encouraging born again (Jn3:3&5) friends like Rod Eastman
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Aribert's perishing soul simply
because we truly love him as our LORD commands (Jn15:12) with all
glory to GOD the Father.

Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) asked in response to ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b64306a3a2deab71?

Oh, bad memory?

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0ee330066e18ab4b?

Bad memory is what happens to folks like you who have been anorexic
(See below earlier).

Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) shrilly exclaimed earlier in

Hunger kills braincells!

Incorrect.

Instead, it is anorexia (no hunger) that is associated with shrinkage
of the brain possibly from dying neurons (brain cells).

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cfe5277eda75fcd4?
Smarter to also watch:

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=JEBB9CNU

Transcripsion is somewhat like
<quote>
Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of the security of
First Baptist Church of Woodstock.
Andrew, I need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to our
campus.
I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't want you to come back, okay?
That for what (?) you were making today you need to know, that if you do come
back, you will be removed from the pogrin (?)
Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police.
Andrew, allow us to end peacefully,
Allow being right meal. (???)
Thank you.
Happy day.
</quote>

Your errors in transcription is consistent with your being guided by
the spirit of error (self) instead of the Spirit of Truth, Who is GOD.

Yes, there are folks at FBCW who need to be born again (John 3:3 & 5)
as evident by their not being able to say "Jesus is LORD" with their
mouth (Romans 10:9) though they wanted to in order to complain to the
police from the outset that this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) was saying "Jesus is LORD" as a greeting and asking if they would
return with the same.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/209eead1460b9c27?

Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) earlier wrote:

In reference to this physician's ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) prayer
list:

http://tinyurl.com/4pcwg3x

... wants the death of more than 260 persons who he has in his
online deathlist.
Can the police of Atlanta prevent him running amok?

Atlanta police know that a prayer list is not a death (curse) list...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f9d0348afabb61?

...so they would be justified to have you possibly extradited here to
the U.S. to be charged with libel & defamation:

http://tinyurl.com/libel-defamation

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bda9bd5e0d4f589d?

Additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a332f19d1380d4c7?

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
street** there?

**emphasis** added

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/919bac965960728f?

The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
diabetes or sleep apnea.

That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:

(1) Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
(2) Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
(3) Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
(4) Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
(5) Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

[Happy Oyster >]

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 12:57:44 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Transcripsion is somewhat like
<quote>
Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of the security of
First Baptist Church of Woodstock.
Andrew, I need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to our
campus.
I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't want you to come back, okay?
That for what (?) you were making today you need to know, that if you do come
back, you will be removed from the pogrin (?)
Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police.
Andrew, allow us to end peacefully,
Allow being right meal. (???)
Thank you.
Happy day.
</quote>

Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung was thrown out by the First Baptist Church of
Woodstock.

And Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung in his insanity made a video and put in online at
YouTube, so that everyone can hear the word of the chief of secutrity of the
First Baptist Church of Woodstock.

Yes, Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a swine. And he will pay for it.

[Happy Oyster >]

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:30:55 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Moreover, impersonating a licensed physician as he has done a number

And how about messing up in Woodstock, like Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung, the
insane stalker, does?
--
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/
CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv
"Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of
the security of First Baptist Church of Woodstock.Andrew, I
need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to
our campus. I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't
want you to come back, okay? That for what (?) you were
making today you need to know, that if you do come back, you
will be removed from the pogrin (?)
Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police."

[Norm MacDonald]

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
... and encouraging born-again (Jn3:3&5) friends to also pray for
Ace's perishing mind simply because we really love him as our LORD
commands (John 15:12) with all glory to GOD the Father.

Incorrect. I'm not fucking Ace, you fucking deluded shit.

[Brian Gene Kelley, PhD]

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
All can recall from memory that if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would
have been able to boldly say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth on YouTube

The fact that Mr. Chung has been excommunicated , is a much reliably
tangible indication that he is a prodigal Christian. Rather than
someone canceling a YouTube account in favor of starting a better one
http://www.youtube.com/user/bkfjinlv?feature=mhee

A new YouTube account which shows that I'm able to regularly attend a
church without being kicked out of it, being told I'll be arrested if
I return, as has happened with Mr. Chung.

Kicked out of a mainstream orthodox church for being a trouble maker,
is a much clearer example of a prodigal reprobate.

[Brian Gene Kelley, PhD]

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
All can recall from memory that if Ace* weren't prodigal, he would
have been able to boldly say "Jesus is LORD" with his mouth on YouTube

The fact that Mr. Chung has been excommunicated , is a much reliably
tangible indication that he is a prodigal Christian. Rather than
someone canceling a YouTube account in favor of starting a better one
http://www.youtube.com/user/bkfjinlv?feature=mhee

A new YouTube account which shows that I'm able to regularly attend a
church without being kicked out of it, being told I'll be arrested if
I return, as has happened with Mr. Chung.

Kicked out of a mainstream orthodox church for being a trouble maker,
is a much clearer example of a prodigal reprobate.

[Norm MacDonald]

Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
... and encouraging born-again (Jn3:3&5) friends to also pray for
Ace's perishing mind simply because we really love him as our LORD

Lie, as I am not Ace, you DUMB fuck.

[Kentucky Cardinal]

DOOM & GLOOM ALERT!

Post by Susan
x-no-archive: yes
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/228264.php
"Our results highlight the importance of statistical adjustment and
careful selection of surgical and nonsurgical cohorts, particularly during
evaluation of bariatric surgery according to administrative data. Previous
studies claiming a survival benefit for bariatric surgery had limited
clinical information to conduct detailed risk adjustment or matching.
The survival differences between the bariatric surgery and control groups
were modest in most previous studies, so the beneficial effects of surgery
may have been attenuated if adjustment for confounders had been possible.
We demonstrated that risk adjustment with regression analysis resulted in
a significant association of surgery and survival that was reduced when
equivalence in baseline characteristics improved via propensity matching
in this high-risk patient group."